A solution for the dropping of alt.* newsgroups

"Dick Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:g46u68$r6l$1@reader2.panix.com...
| The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
| just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
| space to carry them - mainly because of the size
| of the binary files that get posted in many of
| these groups.
|
| The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
| the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.

...of course your off-topic post isn't spam, right?

Or take your business to another ISP.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:05:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Dick
Adams) wrote:

>The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
>just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
>space to carry them - mainly because of the size
>of the binary files that get posted in many of
>these groups.
>
>The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
>the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>
>Dick

I really suspect it has more to do with suppressing the MP3 and MPG
groups than kiddie porn or bandwidth/storage issues. RIAA and MPAA
have a big stake isn protecting the plastic business they are in and
they are pressuring everyone they can.
The "kiddie porn" thing is probably the dumbest reason to block "alt"
groups. If someone wanted to they could post an offending file on a
little used "comp" group or any other hierarchy. It would stay there
until someone with edit power found it and took it down. There are
plenty of groups out there that get very few hits.

Dick Adams wrote:
> The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
> just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
> space to carry them - mainly because of the size
> of the binary files that get posted in many of
> these groups.
>
> The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
> the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>

That is the solution of next-to-last resort (last being no newsgroup
access).

Better:
1. Switch ISPs - and tell Verizon or whoever why you're doing it. The people
who provide the wire to your house DO NOT have to be your ISP. For example,
my cable access is provided by Comcast but my ISP is Earthlink. I connect to
newsgroups through "news.west.earthlink" who, in turn, farms out their
newgroup activity to Giganews.

2. Change newsgroup providers. There are bags and bags of third-party news
servers, some charge a nominal fee, some are completely free.

GoogleGroups has its uses: Searching for a (very) old post or for obtaining
access to groups when away from home. But for everyday access, forget it.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:05:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Dick
Adams) wrote:

>The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
>just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
>space to carry them - mainly because of the size
>of the binary files that get posted in many of
>these groups.
>
>The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
>the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>
>Dick

What's wrong with the free server, aioe.org? It works a lot better
than Google.

Gary H <[email protected]> writes:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:05:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Dick
> Adams) wrote:
>
>>The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
>>just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
>>space to carry them - mainly because of the size
>>of the binary files that get posted in many of
>>these groups.
>>
>>The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
>>the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>>
>>Dick
>
> What's wrong with the free server, aioe.org? It works a lot better
> than Google.

Better than Google, but slower than Verizon (was).
Please don't send anyone to aioe, it's slow enough already.

:)

"Dan Espen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ic3amwjjdy.fsf@verizon.net...
> Gary H <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:05:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Dick
>> Adams) wrote:
>>
>>>The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
>>>just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
>>>space to carry them - mainly because of the size
>>>of the binary files that get posted in many of
>>>these groups.
>>>
>>>The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
>>>the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>
>> What's wrong with the free server, aioe.org? It works a lot better
>> than Google.
>
> Better than Google, but slower than Verizon (was).
> Please don't send anyone to aioe, it's slow enough already.
>

???Huh? Aioe is only as slow as your ISP. I'm using roadrunner and the
newsgroups run just as fast as the rest of my email.

"h" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Dan Espen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ic3amwjjdy.fsf@verizon.net...
>> Gary H <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:05:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Dick
>>> Adams) wrote:
>>>
>>>>The alt.* newsgroups are not disappearing. It is
>>>>just many ISP's do not want to pay for the disc
>>>>space to carry them - mainly because of the size
>>>>of the binary files that get posted in many of
>>>>these groups.
>>>>
>>>>The simplest solution is to get connectivity to
>>>>the newsgroups via Google aka Spammer Haven.
>>>>
>>>>Dick
>>>
>>> What's wrong with the free server, aioe.org? It works a lot better
>>> than Google.
>>
>> Better than Google, but slower than Verizon (was).
>> Please don't send anyone to aioe, it's slow enough already.
>>
>
> ???Huh? Aioe is only as slow as your ISP. I'm using roadrunner and the
> newsgroups run just as fast as the rest of my email.

I can only report what I see.
I'm on Verizon FIOS and I selected the higher speed option.

Since I filter on headers, my newsreader pulls all the headers.
On aioe I can see it count them down one by one.
With Verizon the whole thing just flashed by.

Rub my tummy.