Re: Is it okay to put a fridge outside?

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:05 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> Since this whole "a kid will get trapped in your fridge" is absurd
>
>http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5072.html
>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DF1031F936A35752C1A961948260
>
>> I
>> am not sure why you should take it too seriously.
>> Again, is this kid going to take all the bins and shelves out to get
>> in? Did he bring tools? That is a pretty sophisticated hide and
>> seeker.
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Bill

IK so you linked a CPSC article about a 1956 law and a 21 year old
accident report involving an abandoned refrigerator. Where is the
article about a suffocation accident involving an "in use"
refrigerator?

on 7/20/2008 7:53 PM [email protected] said the following:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:01:05 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> Since this whole "a kid will get trapped in your fridge" is absurd
>>>
>> http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5072.html
>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DF1031F936A35752C1A961948260
>>
>>
>>> I
>>> am not sure why you should take it too seriously.
>>> Again, is this kid going to take all the bins and shelves out to get
>>> in? Did he bring tools? That is a pretty sophisticated hide and
>>> seeker.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> IK so you linked a CPSC article about a 1956 law and a 21 year old
> accident report involving an abandoned refrigerator. Where is the
> article about a suffocation accident involving an "in use"
> refrigerator?
>

Reread the OP's question, especially about the age of the fridge in
question, and that he wanted to leave it outside all year long with the
door open.


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:48:49 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>OK so you linked a CPSC article about a 1956 law and a 21 year old
>> accident report involving an abandoned refrigerator. Where is the
>> article about a suffocation accident involving an "in use"
>> refrigerator?
>>
>
>Reread the OP's question, especially about the age of the fridge in
>question, and that he wanted to leave it outside all year long with the
>door open.
>

True but it seemed to degrade to a tirade about how any fridge outside
was killing babies.

<[email protected]> wrote in message

<stuff snipped>

> Since this whole "a kid will get trapped in your fridge" is absurd I
> am not sure why you should take it too seriously.
> Again, is this kid going to take all the bins and shelves out to get
> in? Did he bring tools? That is a pretty sophisticated hide and
> seeker.

Sorry that I have to disagree. There are still a lot of old latching units
around and they're still killing kids. Fortunately the Refrigerator Safety
Act which became effective October 30, 1958 requires a mechanism which
enables the door to be opened from the inside in the event of accidental
entrapment. Nowadays, that's just the magnetic gasketing around the edge,
but IIRC children have died inside of those since three year olds are not
very strong and the unit may be lying on its back, with gravity increasing
the force needed to open the door. Children also seem to be fascinated to
see something that's not normally outside the house out where they can play
with it. Recently the local news had something nearly as horrific - two
kids trapped inside a car trunk that had died within yards of their home
with their father discovering their bodies quite accidentally while
newscameras filmed the gruesome discovery. That kind of grief devastates
entire families.

Three youngsters, Anibal Cruz, 11; Daniel Agosto, 6; and Jesstin Pagan, 5,
died in a car trunk in Camden, N.J just a few years ago:.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/05/nyregion/05loss.html

Last summer after 11 children, ages 2 to 6, suffocated in car trunks in
Utah, Pennsylvania and New Mexico the Feds decided to form a commission to
study the problem (which has rapidly overtaken the number of deaths caused
by abandoned refrigerators).

"These deaths are the latest additions to the tragic number of 96 children's
deaths from refrigerator entrapments CPSC has recorded since 1973. Multiple
deaths are common. Six of the 8 deaths in 1983 occurred when two youngsters
died together in the same refrigerator on 3 different occasions."

http://injury.findlaw.com/injury/defective-dangerous-products/recall/recall.feeds/cpsc/1984/06/84040.html

That number pales in comparison to pool accidents, another very preventable
form of child death. In the US pool drowning is the second leading cause of
death for children under the age of five. Hundreds of children die every
year due to pool drowning and it's only surpassed by death in motor vehicle
accidents. Most parents whose children died of pool drowning thought at
first that their child is missing and only much later do they realize that
the child drowned in the pool.

In many states, if a child dies in a refrigerator or an unattended pool,
there's both criminal and civil liability. So, even if you believe in
Darwinism, it's not a good idea to leave an old refrigerator out where kids
can get to it. It could cost them their lives and you everything you own
and maybe even your freedom, too.

--
Bobby G.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:44:42 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Why is any more dangerous than if it was in the garage or basement if
>>> these people have the run of the house. In real life I bet most of
>>> these incidents involve empty fridges. The kids would have to take out
>>> all the shelves, bins and a few cases of beer to get in mine.
>> Kids don't usually hide in closed refrigerators, washers, dryers, etc.,
>> when they are in the house. Maybe you can recall an earlier time in your
>> life when you were invincible. While playing hide and seek, you find a
>> refrigerator outside that is empty (after your party, when it may have
>> been at least partially full). You decide to hide in it. One of your
>> friends opens the door and finds you in there. Success!
>> But what of the alternative? Not so successful. If you want to tempt
>> fate, go for it. Maybe nothing will happen. I hope, I hope.
>> But, it is your decision. Good luck.
>
> People trespassing on my property have as good a chance of being shot
> as getting caught in the fridge
>

I think we had moved onto kids of relatives and friends, but thanks for
sharing.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

<[email protected]> wrote

> Why is any more dangerous than if it was in the garage or basement if
> these people have the run of the house. In real life I bet most of
> these incidents involve empty fridges. The kids would have to take out
> all the shelves, bins and a few cases of beer to get in mine.

Thanks for a voice of sanity ;-)

I'm curious as to if it is safe outside where it might get wet. Not that I
plan to put on on my porch mind you, but I am curious about such.