Well Question

Bob Vila would love this group, post #9,369
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 spamtrap100@comcast.net
 2007-06-20 13:44:56
 Well Question
Am building a house that shares a well with two other lots. The shared
well is located approximately 350-450 feet from the three building
sites. The original plan was to run a separate supply line from the
boost pump/tank located near the well to each house. Due to a screwup
by the now ex site supervisor, only a single 2" line was run under
the road before the trench was filled and the road paved.

The owners told the developer that a single 2" line would not be able
to supply pressurized water to three houses. Wishing to avoid digging
up the road, the developer was able to run a second 1 1/2" line
through the conduit, but there was not enough room to run three
separate lines as originally planned.

There were two options for managing the water lines after the run
under the road (you'll need to view this message in a fixed font to
get the picture):

Option A

|P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--| |
|u|===| | | |---300'---------House 1
|m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
|p| | | | |---200'---------House 3

Option B

|P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--------300'---------House 1
|u|===| | | |
|m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
|p| | |


Option A was to use a manifold that combined both supply lines after
the road, then split off three house supplies from that manifold.
Option B used the smaller supply line to supply the house farthest
from the well exclusively, and then a splitter off the larger line to
supply the two closer houses.

We ended up going with Option B, but I really can't see that either
option was preferred, given that there is a single boost pump
supplying both lines and the fitting on the pump is smaller than the
larger line.

Thoughts?
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 Art
 2007-06-20 21:12:27
 Re: Well Question
Why can't he run another pipe under the road. Utilities do it all the time
without damaging the road.


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Am building a house that shares a well with two other lots. The shared
> well is located approximately 350-450 feet from the three building
> sites. The original plan was to run a separate supply line from the
> boost pump/tank located near the well to each house. Due to a screwup
> by the now ex site supervisor, only a single 2" line was run under
> the road before the trench was filled and the road paved.
>
> The owners told the developer that a single 2" line would not be able
> to supply pressurized water to three houses. Wishing to avoid digging
> up the road, the developer was able to run a second 1 1/2" line
> through the conduit, but there was not enough room to run three
> separate lines as originally planned.
>
> There were two options for managing the water lines after the run
> under the road (you'll need to view this message in a fixed font to
> get the picture):
>
> Option A
>
> |P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--| |
> |u|===| | | |---300'---------House 1
> |m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
> |p| | | | |---200'---------House 3
>
> Option B
>
> |P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--------300'---------House 1
> |u|===| | | |
> |m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
> |p| | |
>
>
> Option A was to use a manifold that combined both supply lines after
> the road, then split off three house supplies from that manifold.
> Option B used the smaller supply line to supply the house farthest
> from the well exclusively, and then a splitter off the larger line to
> supply the two closer houses.
>
> We ended up going with Option B, but I really can't see that either
> option was preferred, given that there is a single boost pump
> supplying both lines and the fitting on the pump is smaller than the
> larger line.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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 EXT
 2007-06-20 17:25:19
 Re: Well Question
Local gas utilities and water departments run either plastic lines or copper
lines with either a horizontal drill or an air powered torpedo that will run
under the road without digging, even where there is no road it is cheaper to
use than to dig up the whole line.

"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why can't he run another pipe under the road. Utilities do it all the
> time without damaging the road.
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1182372296.645579.84250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Am building a house that shares a well with two other lots. The shared
>> well is located approximately 350-450 feet from the three building
>> sites. The original plan was to run a separate supply line from the
>> boost pump/tank located near the well to each house. Due to a screwup
>> by the now ex site supervisor, only a single 2" line was run under
>> the road before the trench was filled and the road paved.
>>
>> The owners told the developer that a single 2" line would not be able
>> to supply pressurized water to three houses. Wishing to avoid digging
>> up the road, the developer was able to run a second 1 1/2" line
>> through the conduit, but there was not enough room to run three
>> separate lines as originally planned.
>>
>> There were two options for managing the water lines after the run
>> under the road (you'll need to view this message in a fixed font to
>> get the picture):
>>
>> Option A
>>
>> |P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--| |
>> |u|===| | | |---300'---------House 1
>> |m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
>> |p| | | | |---200'---------House 3
>>
>> Option B
>>
>> |P| | |---------150'-----1 1/2"--------300'---------House 1
>> |u|===| | | |
>> |m| | |=========150'=====2"======| |---200'---------House 2
>> |p| | |
>>
>>
>> Option A was to use a manifold that combined both supply lines after
>> the road, then split off three house supplies from that manifold.
>> Option B used the smaller supply line to supply the house farthest
>> from the well exclusively, and then a splitter off the larger line to
>> supply the two closer houses.
>>
>> We ended up going with Option B, but I really can't see that either
>> option was preferred, given that there is a single boost pump
>> supplying both lines and the fitting on the pump is smaller than the
>> larger line.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
>
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 Rick Blaine
 2007-06-20 17:34:08
 Re: Well Question
"EXT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Local gas utilities and water departments run either plastic lines or copper
>lines with either a horizontal drill or an air powered torpedo that will run
>under the road without digging, even where there is no road it is cheaper to
>use than to dig up the whole line.

Unfortunately, this road is cut into a granite mountain side, so that type of
installation isn't an option.

--
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars
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 Rick Blaine
 2007-06-20 17:33:12
 Re: Well Question
"Art" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Why can't he run another pipe under the road. Utilities do it all the time
>without damaging the road.

Don't know for sure - that was my first thought as well. The road is cut into a
rock mountain, so they would have had to dig up the original trench to avoid
cutting more rock, but that shouldn't be that big a deal.

--
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars
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 Bob F
 2007-06-20 20:23:12
 Re: Well Question
"Rick Blaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Art" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Why can't he run another pipe under the road. Utilities do it all
>>the time
>>without damaging the road.
>
> Don't know for sure - that was my first thought as well. The road is
> cut into a
> rock mountain, so they would have had to dig up the original trench
> to avoid
> cutting more rock, but that shouldn't be that big a deal.

Except for the digging up the road part.
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 Art
 2007-06-22 08:47:56
 Re: Well Question
If they can find the trench underneath the road, all you do is keep hitting
a metal pipe until it goes all the way thru. Irrigation companies go under
driveways all the time doing it that way.


"Bob F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Rick Blaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:67ej73tf7jmpm9mmhk83sg3rnej4pp6ivk@4ax.com...
>> "Art" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Why can't he run another pipe under the road. Utilities do it all the
>>>time
>>>without damaging the road.
>>
>> Don't know for sure - that was my first thought as well. The road is cut
>> into a
>> rock mountain, so they would have had to dig up the original trench to
>> avoid
>> cutting more rock, but that shouldn't be that big a deal.
>
> Except for the digging up the road part.
>