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David Combs
2008-07-10 18:28:34
What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
On some posting here I recently saw reference to
alt.engineering.electrical
I thought that surely my isp, panix.com, would have that one,
but no, it didn't.
And jeez, if it doesn't have *that* one, what *else* "equally
obviously desirable" doesn't it ALSO have!
Well, if I had the full list of what some other isp allows
(on unix, via doing eg:
nntplist >! all-newsgroups-on-panix.txt
and then doing an awk '{print $1 }'
on that file, gives me just the names (thousands of them)
available on *that* machine/isp, then via the wonderful "comm"
command:
comm -3 names-on-my-isp.nam names-on-your-isp.nam
gives me a two column file -- ones on mine that are not on yours,
and vice versa.
Then, at least here on panix, we can ask them to add others
(as long as we know their names!), which they always do add
for us, so I too can read it!
Suggestion: various of us on various sites get (somehow)
lists of the names of the available newsgroups, make it
available somehow (maybe post it here, although the
file-of-names will be HUGE (here, it's 9900 lines long
(ie 9900 newsgroups!, making a file that's 200K size, a bit
large to post?)
Anyway, you probably *not* having unix (linux, etc) available,
and maybe not being willing to download the gnu "tools" (unix/linux
tools like awk, comm, nntp, etc), *I* can do the comparisons --
as long as I have the list of groups on your isp.
Anyway, that's my idea.
In a few minutes I'll put up my list of available newsgroups,
at:
www.panix.com/~dkcombs/available-newsgroups.nam
so you can see what at least *this* isp "knows about".
Comments?
David
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gfretwell@aol.com
2008-07-10 19:14:29
Re: What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
On 10 Jul 2008 18:28:34 -0400, [email protected] (David Combs) wrote:
>Comments?
Embarq DSL doesn't provide any newsgroups but my Giganews account has
108907 of them today.
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metspitzer
2008-07-10 19:36:40
Re: What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
On 10 Jul 2008 18:28:34 -0400, [email protected] (David Combs) wrote:
>On some posting here I recently saw reference to
> alt.engineering.electrical
>
>I thought that surely my isp, panix.com, would have that one,
>but no, it didn't.
>
>And jeez, if it doesn't have *that* one, what *else* "equally
>obviously desirable" doesn't it ALSO have!
>
>Well, if I had the full list of what some other isp allows
>
> (on unix, via doing eg:
> nntplist >! all-newsgroups-on-panix.txt
>
> and then doing an awk '{print $1 }'
>on that file, gives me just the names (thousands of them)
>available on *that* machine/isp, then via the wonderful "comm"
>command:
>
> comm -3 names-on-my-isp.nam names-on-your-isp.nam
>
>gives me a two column file -- ones on mine that are not on yours,
>and vice versa.
>
>
>Then, at least here on panix, we can ask them to add others
>(as long as we know their names!), which they always do add
>for us, so I too can read it!
>
>
>Suggestion: various of us on various sites get (somehow)
>lists of the names of the available newsgroups, make it
>available somehow (maybe post it here, although the
>file-of-names will be HUGE (here, it's 9900 lines long
>(ie 9900 newsgroups!, making a file that's 200K size, a bit
>large to post?)
>
>Anyway, you probably *not* having unix (linux, etc) available,
>and maybe not being willing to download the gnu "tools" (unix/linux
>tools like awk, comm, nntp, etc), *I* can do the comparisons --
>as long as I have the list of groups on your isp.
>
>
>Anyway, that's my idea.
>
>
>In a few minutes I'll put up my list of available newsgroups,
>at:
>
> www.panix.com/~dkcombs/available-newsgroups.nam
>
>so you can see what at least *this* isp "knows about".
>
>
>Comments?
>
>
>David
>
>
It would be more productive to just use Google and search "groups" for
topics that interest you.
One of the bad things about Usenet is 8 out of 10 groups are dead.
Just worry about the ones that interest you.
alt.engineering.electrical can be useful, but unless you are an
electrical engineer, they usually tell you more than you want to know
over there. :)
I wish Google had a separate search for Usenet and for Google groups.
I would almost never include Google groups in my searches as they are
pretty much useless. Not all of them are, but because the crap groups
outnumber the good ones by about 10000 fold, I would gladly have them
excluded from the searches.
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gfretwell@aol.com
2008-07-10 19:40:58
Re: What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:36:40 -0500, metspitzer <[email protected]>
wrote:
>One of the bad things about Usenet is 8 out of 10 groups are dead.
That still leaves over 20,000 live groups.
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mm
2008-07-12 00:11:13
Re: What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
A major problem is that Verizon has or is planning to soon stop
carrying alt. groups, because on 10 or 20 of them out of thousands,
there was something very bad.
Maybe they'll change their minds, especially if Verizon subscribers
complain.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:36:40 -0500, metspitzer <[email protected]>
wrote:
>It would be more productive to just use Google and search "groups" for
>topics that interest you.
>
>One of the bad things about Usenet is 8 out of 10 groups are dead.
>
>Just worry about the ones that interest you.
How much worrying do the groups I don't read take?
Every year or so I download an updated list of groups. I think it
takes only a couple minutes but when it took longer, I read my email
while it dl'd.
After that, I continue reading the ones I like and pay no attention to
the others.
Reading Usenet on google is nowhere near as satisfying or as versatile
as reading it off my own computer. Plus I have a copy on my computer
even if my internet connection is down, and I still have use of
Google.
>alt.engineering.electrical can be useful, but unless you are an
>electrical engineer, they usually tell you more than you want to know
>over there. :)
>
>I wish Google had a separate search for Usenet and for Google groups.
>I would almost never include Google groups in my searches as they are
>pretty much useless. Not all of them are, but because the crap groups
>outnumber the good ones by about 10000 fold, I would gladly have them
>excluded from the searches.
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metspitzer
2008-07-12 10:12:58
Re: What newsgroups does YOUR isp provide you? (let's compare & ask our OWN for more?)
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:11:13 -0400, mm <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>
>>Just worry about the ones that interest you.
>
>How much worrying do the groups I don't read take?
>
>Every year or so I download an updated list of groups. I think it
>takes only a couple minutes but when it took longer, I read my email
>while it dl'd.
>
>After that, I continue reading the ones I like and pay no attention to
>the others.
>
>Reading Usenet on google is nowhere near as satisfying or as versatile
>as reading it off my own computer. Plus I have a copy on my computer
>even if my internet connection is down, and I still have use of
>Google.
>
>>alt.engineering.electrical can be useful, but unless you are an
>>electrical engineer, they usually tell you more than you want to know
>>over there. :)
>>
>>I wish Google had a separate search for Usenet and for Google groups.
>>I would almost never include Google groups in my searches as they are
>>pretty much useless. Not all of them are, but because the crap groups
>>outnumber the good ones by about 10000 fold, I would gladly have them
>>excluded from the searches.
All I am saying is that you would probably find more groups you are
interested in by searching for topics that interest you than making a
list of thousands of groups and try to eliminate them from the list.
You can't use a news reader to search Usenet without downloading the
messages in the group. For most groups, that is a waste of time.
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