Any 6 pin firewire PC laptops yet?

spud wrote:
> Just wondering if there was any progress on the powered firewire bus
> issue yet. I'd like to run my SaffireLE off the 6 pin if I could.

Buy a Mac. As far as I know, there are no PC laptops with a 6-pin
Firewire connector. A Mac user friend keeps telling me I should buy a
Macbook Pro, claiming that it's the fastest laptop that can run Windows,
and I can run Mac software as well, if I want to.

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"spud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if there was any progress on the powered firewire bus
> issue yet. I'd like to run my SaffireLE off the 6 pin if I could.
> Thanks again, s.

Macs have always had 6 pin. I don't think powered firewire will show up on
Windows laptops. Firewire licensing is expensive, and it is actually
becoming less important to computer manufacturers. This is because the other
principle use, camcorder connectivity, is moving to USB.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

"spud" wrote ...
> Just wondering if there was any progress on the powered firewire bus
> issue yet. I'd like to run my SaffireLE off the 6 pin if I could.

Since any power would come directly from the computer's battery,
the market for 6-pin Firewire on laptops if not big enough to be
of interest to most makers of laptops. Most people want to power
their Firewire devices independently to maximize laptop running
time.

"Richard Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "spud" wrote ...
>> Just wondering if there was any progress on the powered firewire bus
>> issue yet. I'd like to run my SaffireLE off the 6 pin if I could.
>
> Since any power would come directly from the computer's battery,
> the market for 6-pin Firewire on laptops if not big enough to be
> of interest to most makers of laptops. Most people want to power
> their Firewire devices independently to maximize laptop running
> time.
That's very true. Firewire is an Apple invention, and they would like to
push it as a total solution. But due to a poorly thought out connector, and
poor semi protection, Firewire ports are notorious for power related
accidents. I feel much more secure with unpowered ports.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

On Jul 5, 2:33 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's very true. Firewire is an Apple invention, and they would like to
> push it as a total solution. But due to a poorly thought out connector, and
> poor semi protection, Firewire ports are notorious for power related
> accidents. I feel much more secure with unpowered ports.

unpowered 1394 is Sony ilink ...
and running your I/O phantom power with the buss power is not a good
thing.

now when the 1394 3.2 gig standard is in production ...

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jul 5, 2:33 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's very true. Firewire is an Apple invention, and they would like to
>> push it as a total solution. But due to a poorly thought out connector,
>> and
>> poor semi protection, Firewire ports are notorious for power related
>> accidents. I feel much more secure with unpowered ports.
>
> unpowered 1394 is Sony ilink ...
> and running your I/O phantom power with the buss power is not a good
> thing.
>
> now when the 1394 3.2 gig standard is in production ...
>
I've heard the power problems were fixed with a connector redesign in 1394b.

But the interface is declining in importance, due to the fact that video
cameras now offer usb, ESATA is better for hard drives, and Apple license
fees are high.

I go with Rich. Use one of these:
http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_Packs_s/2.htm , and
save the laptop battery for the laptop.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

On Jul 5, 3:56 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:06c364b6-de70-478b-a742-2ce1e160c611@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...> On Jul 5, 2:33 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> That's very true. Firewire is an Apple invention, and they would like to
> >> push it as a total solution. But due to a poorly thought out connector,
> >> and
> >> poor semi protection, Firewire ports are notorious for power related
> >> accidents. I feel much more secure with unpowered ports.
>
> > unpowered 1394 is Sony ilink ...
> > and running your I/O phantom power with the buss power is not a good
> > thing.
>
> > now when the 1394 3.2 gig standard is in production ...
>
> I've heard the power problems were fixed with a connector redesign in 1394b.
>
> But the interface is declining in importance, due to the fact that video
> cameras now offer usb, ESATA is better for hard drives, and Apple license
> fees are high.
>
> I go with Rich. Use one of these:http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_Packs_s/2.htm, and
> save the laptop battery for the laptop.
>
> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511

I do not think there is a license fee, where did you get that info??

<[email protected]> wrote ...
> I do not think there is a license fee, where did you get that info??

http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html

The Firewire license is currently free. It was not always so.
Perhaps Apple is getting desperate to keep people using
Firewire instead of fleeing the sinking ship in favor of one
of the more modern interfaces.

On Jul 5, 5:52 pm, "Richard Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote ...
>
> > I do not think there is a license fee, where did you get that info??
>
> http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html
>
> The Firewire license is currently free. It was not always so.
> Perhaps Apple is getting desperate to keep people using
> Firewire instead of fleeing the sinking ship in favor of one
> of the more modern interfaces.
"the royalty which Apple Inc. and other patent holders initially
demanded from users of FireWire (US$0.25 per end-user system) and the
more expensive hardware needed to implement it (US$1–$2), both of
which have since been dropped, have prevented FireWire from displacing
USB in low-end mass-market computer peripherals, where product cost is
a major constraint"
wikipedia

I like the _low-end mass-market computer peripherals_ ... do they mean
CHEAP???

"Richard Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <[email protected]> wrote ...
>> I do not think there is a license fee, where did you get that info??
>
> http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html
>
> The Firewire license is currently free. It was not always so.
> Perhaps Apple is getting desperate to keep people using
> Firewire instead of fleeing the sinking ship in favor of one
> of the more modern interfaces.
Hi, Rich. Thanks for the info. I read something a while back about a barrier
for entry-level developers of Firewire appliances. I forget what it was, but
there was a substantial impediment, possibly the unavailability of firewire
chips in small quantities. Firewire still has an interesting position as
both isochronous and available for general data transfer, but is not as
compelling as in the past.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jul 5, 3:56 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:06c364b6-de70-478b-a742-2ce1e160c611@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...> On
>> Jul 5, 2:33 pm, "Soundhaspriority" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> That's very true. Firewire is an Apple invention, and they would like to
>>>> push it as a total solution. But due to a poorly thought out connector,
>>>> and
>>>> poor semi protection, Firewire ports are notorious for power related
>>>> accidents. I feel much more secure with unpowered ports.
>>
>>> unpowered 1394 is Sony ilink ...
>>> and running your I/O phantom power with the buss power is not a good
>>> thing.
>>
>>> now when the 1394 3.2 gig standard is in production ...
>>
>> I've heard the power problems were fixed with a connector redesign in 1394b.
>>
>> But the interface is declining in importance, due to the fact that video
>> cameras now offer usb, ESATA is better for hard drives, and Apple license
>> fees are high.
>>
>> I go with Rich. Use one of
>> these:http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_Packs_s/2.htm,
>> and
>> save the laptop battery for the laptop.
>>
>> Bob Morein
>> (310) 237-6511
>
> I do not think there is a license fee, where did you get that info??

I made it up, like most things.

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