I DON"T GET IT!!!

Professional audio recording and studio engineering, post #46,019
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 jacksmith
 2008-07-10 06:54:47
 I DON"T GET IT!!!
Hey guys, it's me again. I'm the guy running a 2.6 intel with the
delta 10/10 and Audition software. Perhaps somebody can help me. I've
got the delta running at 44.1K with a 256 dma buffer. I'm laying down
tracks and in the mix it sounds alright but I go to the edit window on
the last track I did just to make sure it's okay. Every now and then
there's a pop/sqeak, I go back over that section of the track again
and most times, on the second go it's gone. Only twice did it repeat
itself only to have vanished on the 3rd round of listening. It could
be my monitoring source. I'm currently paying off some half decent
powered speakers but at the moment am stuck with a ten year old low
quality TEAC three in one and/or my Beringer preamp/mixer. I've tried
both with Senheiser phones, it seems to be happening more with the
Beringer. Please help!!!
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 Steve
 2008-07-10 17:58:35
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
First you need to figure out what's causing the pop/squeal. You meters in
Audition should tell you whether it's coming from the recorded audio. If
they aren't peaking when you are hearing this noise it's time to look at
your analog hardware.

Steve



"jacksmith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:72fca45a-654c-4bca-8ee0-a2e047ce7925@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys, it's me again. I'm the guy running a 2.6 intel with the
> delta 10/10 and Audition software. Perhaps somebody can help me. I've
> got the delta running at 44.1K with a 256 dma buffer. I'm laying down
> tracks and in the mix it sounds alright but I go to the edit window on
> the last track I did just to make sure it's okay. Every now and then
> there's a pop/sqeak, I go back over that section of the track again
> and most times, on the second go it's gone. Only twice did it repeat
> itself only to have vanished on the 3rd round of listening. It could
> be my monitoring source. I'm currently paying off some half decent
> powered speakers but at the moment am stuck with a ten year old low
> quality TEAC three in one and/or my Beringer preamp/mixer. I've tried
> both with Senheiser phones, it seems to be happening more with the
> Beringer. Please help!!!
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 jacksmith
 2008-07-10 16:36:31
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
On Jul 11, 7:58 am, "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote:
> First you need to figure out what's causing the pop/squeal.  You meters in
> Audition should tell you whether it's coming from the recorded audio.  If
> they aren't peaking when you are hearing this noise it's time to look at
> your analog hardware.
>
> Steve
>
> "jacksmith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:72fca45a-654c-4bca-8ee0-a2e047ce7925@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, it's me again. I'm the guy running a 2.6 intel with the
> > delta 10/10 and Audition software. Perhaps somebody can help me. I've
> > got the delta running at 44.1K with a 256 dma buffer. I'm laying down
> > tracks and in the mix it sounds alright but I go to the edit window on
> > the last track I did just to make sure it's okay. Every now and then
> > there's a pop/sqeak, I go back over that section of the track again
> > and most times, on the second go it's gone. Only twice did it repeat
> > itself only to have vanished on the 3rd round of listening. It could
> > be my monitoring source. I'm currently paying off some half decent
> > powered speakers but at the moment am stuck with a ten year old low
> > quality TEAC three in one and/or my Beringer preamp/mixer. I've tried
> > both with Senheiser phones, it seems to be happening more with the
> > Beringer. Please help!!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good advice Steve but I'm not sure that these pop/squeaks would even
register on the meter. There fairly descreet so maybe I'm being too
perfectionistic. It's just that once I lay down something like eight
to twelve tracks it might all add up to a kind of general coarseness
in the overall sound, that is, if it's not just ghosts in the
hardware. I'll check it properly anyway, just to see if they register.
Thanks.
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 Tobiah
 2008-07-11 09:22:33
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
> Good advice Steve but I'm not sure that these pop/squeaks would even
> register on the meter. There fairly descreet so maybe I'm being too
> perfectionistic.

You are not demanding too much. You should be able to attain tight,
accurate reproduction every time you record. Any artifact means that
something is not configured correctly. I think you may be going for
too small a buffer. Even infrequent, intermittent imperfections are
unacceptable. What if it happens on the 10th take where the guitar
solo is finally right?


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 David Morgan (MAMS)
 2008-07-11 18:40:10
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
"Tobiah" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:pan.2008.07.11.16.22.32.175955@tobiah.org...
>
> > Good advice Steve but I'm not sure that these pop/squeaks would even
> > register on the meter. There fairly descreet so maybe I'm being too
> > perfectionistic.
>
> You are not demanding too much. You should be able to attain tight,
> accurate reproduction every time you record. Any artifact means that
> something is not configured correctly. I think you may be going for
> too small a buffer. Even infrequent, intermittent imperfections are
> unacceptable. What if it happens on the 10th take where the guitar
> solo is finally right?
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


Quite honestly, since the symptom completely disappears after
a couple of playbacks... it's an anomaly of playback buffering.
The solution to which, in most cases, has been purported to be
the *lowering* of the buffer size.

DM
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 jacksmith
 2008-07-11 17:53:28
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
On Jul 12, 2:22 am, Tobiah <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Good advice Steve but I'm not sure that these pop/squeaks would even
> > register on the meter. There fairly descreet so maybe I'm being too
> > perfectionistic.
>
> You are not demanding too much.  You should be able to attain tight,
> accurate reproduction every time you record.  Any artifact means that
> something is not configured correctly.  I think you may be going for
> too small a buffer.  Even infrequent, intermittent imperfections are
> unacceptable.  What if it happens on the 10th take where the guitar
> solo is finally right?
>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

That's certainly good advice Tobiah but the anomalies might be
attributed to the monitoring hardware, which would mean the artifacts
aren't genuine. David Morgan seems to think that I should lower the
buffer size, that the problem is in the playback. Maybe what I should
do is mix it down incomplete, put it on a CD and play it through a
better sterio. If the anomalies are only resident in playback from the
recording suite or just a result of poor quality monitoring equipment
it doesn't matter, just as long as the final mix is good.
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 Lucky
 2008-07-12 00:48:41
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
jacksmith wrote:

> Maybe what I should do is mix it down incomplete, put it on a CD and play it through a
> better sterio.

That would do it.
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 Badmuts
 2008-07-12 11:17:12
 Re: I DON"T GET IT!!!
Definitely a playback hardware issue within the computer.
Try running the audio card in a different slot (different IRQ)

Bm