Author: Date: Subject:
Chris Hornbeck
2008-07-18 05:17:20
Re: Memresistor & Audio
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:51:05 -0400, Ben Bradley
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I always found this article interesting and informative (and check
>out the dates of the references, the idea was around long before this
>app note):
>http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-804.pdf
Very cool stuff. Hadn't heard about Bart (Mr. Golden Age JBL)
Locanthi's work in this field before. Giants walked the Earth
back then.
I could quibble about the bottom of page 3 and into the top of page 4,
where it seems that "here a miracle occurs" is implicit, but maybe
I'm just not a good enough reader. That sure happens.
To my small understanding, the really cool bit couldn't be
shown on their diagram - it would only happen averaged over
very many samples. I'm bitchy about this because it's an issue
that got me down a lot of wrong paths personally. And it's
something that so many folks get so wrong so often, even
in 2008.
Dither doesn't actually "remove" *any* quantization errors.
It only spreads them around in time. Dither isn't added to
signal (well, yes, of course it is...) - rather, it's added to
time. Or, *over* time - dither applied to a single sample
wouldn't help at all. It would just be a noisy sample.
Obviously this isn't Gospel; it's just a way of approaching
the subject.
> As for this "memresistor," I'm not convinced that it's the "fourth
>fundamental component of electronics"
If Maxwell somehow missed it, I'd be surprised. And deserve
the Silver Hammer. But somehow I feel confident that nothing
that fundamental lurked in the bowels of physics long enough
to be named a "memresistor". Yikes.
Much thanks, as always,
Chris Hornbeck
Author: Date: Subject:
Mark
2008-07-18 13:54:58
Re: Memresistor & Audio
> Oh, and for "quantization error" the OP was asking about, there's
> two kinds of quantization in digital systems: amplitude and time. The
> memresistor will be like an element in the Winbond chips, or like the
> capacitor in the old BBD chips - you still have the time-wise
> quantization.
>
>
which is called SAMPLING
Mark
Author: Date: Subject:
David Grant
2008-07-18 17:07:21
Re: Memresistor & Audio
> Oh, and for "quantization error" the OP was asking about, there's
> two kinds of quantization in digital systems: amplitude and time. The
> memresistor will be like an element in the Winbond chips, or like the
> capacitor in the old BBD chips - you still have the time-wise
> quantization.
>
Did those rely on battery backup? The memresistor supposedly retains data
without a power source, which is one of its touted advantages.
>And considering the consumer market has basically gone from 16-bit
>PCM (CD) to that format but lossily encoded in mp3's, any "better"
>quality audio device is unlikely to make it to consumer market, so it
>might be marginal to make it for pro and high-end audio markets.
No arguement there.
Author: Date: Subject:
David Grant
2008-07-15 09:11:01
Re: Memresistor & Audio
"Arny Krueger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "David Grant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> HP announced that it's beginning to manufacture the
>> memresistor in 2009. Any speculation that this device
>> will have a practical application in analog audio
>> storage? I haven't read any specs on dynamic range, but
>> assuming it beats CD quality, might we have an analog
>> storage device that's as good as digital but without
>> quantization error?
>
> It appears that this device remembers the direction of current flow. Since
> current can only flow in 2 directions, it would appear to be only capable
> of binary (digital) memory.
Sorry... I was led to believe it remembers the amplitude of the current
flow. I read that you set the resistance of the device using DC voltage and
measure it using AC.
Author: Date: Subject:
Tobiah
2008-07-15 12:42:37
Re: Memresistor & Audio
>> It appears that this device remembers the direction of current flow. Since
>> current can only flow in 2 directions, it would appear to be only capable
>> of binary (digital) memory.
>
> Sorry... I was led to believe it remembers the amplitude of the current
> flow. I read that you set the resistance of the device using DC voltage and
> measure it using AC.
The more current you put through in one direction, the greater
the resistance. Put current through the other way, and it starts
to lower in resistance. It is quite suited to analog computing.
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Author: Date: Subject:
Eeyore
2008-07-19 08:20:55
Re: Memresistor & Audio
Tobiah wrote:
> >> It appears that this device remembers the direction of current flow. Since
> >> current can only flow in 2 directions, it would appear to be only capable
> >> of binary (digital) memory.
> >
> > Sorry... I was led to believe it remembers the amplitude of the current
> > flow. I read that you set the resistance of the device using DC voltage and
> > measure it using AC.
>
> The more current you put through in one direction, the greater
> the resistance. Put current through the other way, and it starts
> to lower in resistance. It is quite suited to analog computing.
I somewhat doubt it's going to be very linear.
Graham
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