Re: Missing moon tapes

Professional audio recording and studio engineering, post #46,509
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 GregS
 2008-07-17 17:37:07
 Re: Missing moon tapes
In article <NSKfk.2693$Zc5.2273@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, jakdedert <[email protected]> wrote:
>GregS wrote:
>> In article <vcJfk.2828$t32.1276@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, jakdedert
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> GregS wrote:
>>>> In article <1%sfk.7932$nD.588@pd7urf1no>, "yrret" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I think its one of those things where everyone assumed someone somewhere
> was
>>>>> taking care of it and as a result no one did.
>>>>>
>>>>> "GregS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g5lgt1$mpb$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...
>>>>>> This subject has been around different groups. They were searchin for
>>>>>> Apollo 11 moon walk
>>>>>> tapes which were slow scan data tapes. How do you say, NASA was too cheap
>>>>>> to buy new tapes so they were written over. Well, I think thas how it
>>>>>> goes.
>>>> I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the
>>> tapes
>>>> within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes
>>> were aparently
>>>> degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes
> but
>>> not these.
>>>> I just got done sending in an old pamphlet I had for the NASA history
>>> website.
>>>> This guy really is good at scanning and making PDF documents.
>>>>
>>>> greg
>>> That's news. I wonder why it hasn't hit the stands.
>>>
>>> It's easy to scan to PDF. Many commercial and shareware packages out
>>> there....
>>
>> I just think its a conclusion without hard evidence.
>>
>> Tricks are getting document aligned and removing smudges, etc.
>>
>> greg
>
>Use a flatbed scanner and/or do some image manipulation before
>converting to PDF. [ie; scan and save as image file; clean up the
>image, print and scan/convert...or else find a converter which saves the
>image file directly as PDF]. No need to get NASA involved. This ain't
>rocket science.
>
>I send all my invoices as PDFs using a freeware program called
>'Documalis'. It's simple, and somewhat restricted in features, but gets
>the job done...and the price is right. It works much better than the
>application bundled with my Hp all-in-one. Google it....


No No, I just sent a document to someone who asked for it. He has been doing some
old NASA stuff ever since his retirement and also has done some work for HP
with their scanners.

greg
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 Scott Dorsey
 2008-07-17 13:35:19
 Re: Missing moon tapes
GregS <[email protected]> wrote:
>I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the tapes
>within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes were aparently
>degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes but not these.

I hadn't heard this. What's the story?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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 GregS
 2008-07-17 19:16:38
 Re: Missing moon tapes
In article <g5nvsn$gsj$1@panix2.panix.com>, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>GregS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the tapes
>>within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes were
> aparently
>>degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes but
> not these.
>
>I hadn't heard this. What's the story?


I don't know any more details. I might try asking for more info.

I was also thinking. There must a bunch of other moon walks. See one you see them all, right.

greg
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 GregS
 2008-07-17 20:21:11
 Re: Missing moon tapes
In article <g5o5qi$c4u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>In article <g5nvsn$gsj$1@panix2.panix.com>, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)
> wrote:
>>GregS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the
> tapes
>>>within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes
> were
>> aparently
>>>degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes but
>> not these.
>>
>>I hadn't heard this. What's the story?
>
>
>I don't know any more details. I might try asking for more info.
>
>I was also thinking. There must a bunch of other moon walks. See one you see
> them all, right.

This is an interesting account of the stations involved in the moon walk. There seems
to be one missing from explanation and thats the Goldstone Apollo backup station in
with the main "Mars" station. 85 ft dish vs 210 ft.

http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html

There is also some data recorders in the website, which may have been the type recording the feeds.
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 20to20.keith@gmail.com
 2008-07-17 23:54:27
 Re: Missing moon tapes
On Jul 18, 6:21 am, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
> In article <g5o5qi$c4...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
> >In article <g5nvsn$gs...@panix2.panix.com>, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)
> > wrote:
> >>GregS <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the
> > tapes
> >>>within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes
> > were
> >> aparently
> >>>degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes but
> >> not these.
>
> >>I hadn't heard this. What's the story?
>
> >I don't know any more details. I might try asking for more info.
>
> >I was also thinking. There must a bunch of other moon walks. See one you see
> > them all, right.
>
> This is an interesting account of the stations involved in the moon walk. There seems
> to be one missing from explanation and thats the Goldstone Apollo backup station in
> with the main "Mars" station. 85 ft dish vs 210 ft.
>
> http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html
>
> There is also some data recorders in the website, which may have been the type recording the feeds.

This is a great link !.
I had a contact who worked at Honeysuckle and visited the working
station sometime in 1972 .I was amazed then at the instant audio
connection with Houston. Remember someone explaining the earth
orbiting spacecraft would do a high speed 'dump' of information when
passing overhead. Pretty amazing for 1972. There was a dish in nearby
Orroral Valley,but this fell into disrepair after Apollo 17,
Tidbinbilla station was also working at that time. It has been
steadily upgraded over the years as a Deep Space tracking
station,initially to keep tracking Voyagers I and 2.
This was US money being spent in Canberra and the roads to these
tracking stations were always well maintained (unlike now),and the
jobs provided good employment for people living in the suburbs as the
stations were within easy driving distance.
The heads of NASA and JPL,acknowledging the contribution of Canberra,
gave some magnificent lectures over the years!
Keith
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 GregS
 2008-07-18 12:41:47
 Re: Missing moon tapes
In article <[email protected]>, "20to20.keith@gmail.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 18, 6:21 am, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>> In article <g5o5qi$c4...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
> [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>> >In article <g5nvsn$gs...@panix2.panix.com>, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)
>> > wrote:
>> >>GregS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>I say this because I just was emailing one of the people looking for the
>> > tapes
>> >>>within the last month. There were big budget cuts after Apollo. The tapes
>> > were
>> >> aparently
>> >>>degaused and used over around 1980. The Australians had many backup tapes
> but
>> >> not these.
>>
>> >>I hadn't heard this. What's the story?
>>
>> >I don't know any more details. I might try asking for more info.
>>
>> >I was also thinking. There must a bunch of other moon walks. See one you see
>> > them all, right.
>>
>> This is an interesting account of the stations involved in the moon walk.
> There seems
>> to be one missing from explanation and thats the Goldstone Apollo backup
> station in
>> with the main "Mars" station. 85 ft dish vs 210 ft.
>>
>> http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html
>>
>> There is also some data recorders in the website, which may have been the
> type recording the feeds.
>
>This is a great link !.
>I had a contact who worked at Honeysuckle and visited the working
>station sometime in 1972 .I was amazed then at the instant audio
>connection with Houston. Remember someone explaining the earth
>orbiting spacecraft would do a high speed 'dump' of information when
>passing overhead. Pretty amazing for 1972. There was a dish in nearby
>Orroral Valley,but this fell into disrepair after Apollo 17,
>Tidbinbilla station was also working at that time. It has been
>steadily upgraded over the years as a Deep Space tracking
>station,initially to keep tracking Voyagers I and 2.
>This was US money being spent in Canberra and the roads to these
>tracking stations were always well maintained (unlike now),and the
>jobs provided good employment for people living in the suburbs as the
>stations were within easy driving distance.
>The heads of NASA and JPL,acknowledging the contribution of Canberra,
>gave some magnificent lectures over the years!
>Keith

I met one fellow from Honeysuckle around 1975. We were having a 6 week class
at Goldstone Apollo, along with people from the Hawaii station. That video talks
Apollo but does not show it. There were 3- 85 foot
dishes for the Apollo program. Spain, Australia, and Goldstone, plus a host
of other sites around the world, plus ships. Now its TDRS except there
are still large antennas for other space missions. There were 5 moonwalks.
They landed on a square grid. One purpose was to set up Alsep packages
that recorded moonquakes and other things. Typical earth orbiting spacecraft
show about a 12 minute window for data retrieval, that included the Apollo spacecraft.
You can imaging all the stations needed to try and keep contact, except the 3
main stations could do it when they were far away.

greg