Sibelius and Protools

"Dec [Cluskey]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:688b7471-fb60-46a9-
[email protected]:

> Hi Gang
>
> I will shortly be involved in a major TV advertising and promotional
> campaign re. a new album from my band. This will entail a lot of live
> musicians with additional audio tracks + live performance.
>
> In the past I have always hand written the scores but this time, with
> a lot of newly recorded material I felt I could use a notational
> software. I regularly see dots [muso's sheet music] presented that
> way and it looks very impressive. I simply require the midi info
> translated to paper.
>
> I seem to be hitting blank walls asking pals about notational software
> to use with Protools. In Googling I find that Protools have bought
> Sibelius and I got the impression that the Sibelius software was
> bundled with the latest 7.3 Protools [which I have] I can see the
> 'send to Sibelius' tage but comes up as 'software not
> installed' ... .... so.......
>
> 1) Is Sibelius the way forward for me? And should I have to pay the
> Ł500+ for the software when all I need is the notation facility?
> 2) I note that there are companies selling non labelled versions for
> Ł25? Are these any good?
>
> I simply want the notes written for the musos. Would save me a lot of
> time and aggro.
>
> Dec [Cluskey]

I have used Sibelius, but I have no idea what muso's and dots are. Can
you translate for those of us who speak 1960's English?

The notation facility IS the program. That's mainly what it does.
Sibelius is $600 here. That works out to about Ł300. I hope they don't
charge a 66% premium to get it to the UK.

Non-labelled versions of what?

If you're talking about having Sibelius read from a midi input, yes it
can do that. It will normally transcribe the input like a piano part
with all notes on a treble and bass clef pair. It also has a tool
called "Arrange" which will attempt to separate the various voices in
that line to separate staffs.

None of this happens inside ProTools.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 03:53:26 GMT, Carey Carlan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The notation facility IS the program. That's mainly what it does.
>Sibelius is $600 here. That works out to about £300. I hope they don't
>charge a 66% premium to get it to the UK.

Worse than that. It COMES from the UK, and halves in price as it
crosses the Atlantic :-(

On May 30, 4:53 am, Carey Carlan <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dec [Cluskey]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:688b7471-fb60-46a9-
> [email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Gang
>
> > I will shortly be involved in a major TV advertising and promotional
> > campaign re. a new album from my band.  This will entail a lot of live
> > musicians with additional audio tracks + live performance.
>
> > In the past I have always hand written the scores but this time, with
> > a lot of newly recorded material I felt I could use a notational
> > software.  I regularly see dots [muso's sheet music] presented that
> > way and it looks very impressive.  I simply require the midi info
> > translated to paper.
>
> > I seem to be hitting blank walls asking pals about notational software
> > to use with Protools.  In Googling I find that Protools have bought
> > Sibelius and I got the impression that the Sibelius software was
> > bundled with the latest 7.3 Protools [which I have] I can see the
> > 'send to Sibelius' tage but comes up as 'software not
> > installed' ... .... so.......
>
> > 1) Is Sibelius the way forward for me?  And should I have to pay the
> > £500+ for the software when all I need  is the notation facility?
> > 2) I note that there are companies selling non labelled versions for
> > £25?  Are these any good?
>
> > I simply want the notes written for the musos.  Would save me a lot of
> > time and aggro.
>
> > Dec [Cluskey]
>
> I have used Sibelius, but I have no idea what muso's and dots are.  Can
> you translate for those of us who speak 1960's English?
> that line to separate staffs.
>
> None of this happens inside ProTools.- Hide quoted text -


Ciaran?

'dots' is musician slang for written music to play. Every orchestra
you see playing will have separate dots for each instrument. I have a
feeling the term started in Ireland ... although musos were usually
called 'heads'?

Likewise 'muso' is short slang for musician in the profession.

My problem with Sibelius and it's £600 [approx] price tag is that I do
not need the sequencing and orchestration plus the enormous samples
features on the programme ... my orchestrations are all done on
Protools ... done and dusted ... in fact the album was mastered today
[and it sounds stunning]

I thought there might be an easy, swift download of the note writing
section of the programme that would latch into Protools... given that
there is that 'send to Sibelius' button.

The more I investigate on the Net the more confusing the situation
becomes ... freeware is offered Sibelius Version 4 and 5.2 ... prehaps
they are demos to entice purchase of the full package?

As regards the non labelled, unboxed versions on offer I note they
were there last night but now gone! They claimed last night there
were 'only a few left'. Obviously illegally copied.

Dec [Cluskey]

"Dec [Cluskey]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:dd4865ac-8852-4369-
[email protected]:

> 'dots' is musician slang for written music to play. Every orchestra
> you see playing will have separate dots for each instrument. I have a
> feeling the term started in Ireland ... although musos were usually
> called 'heads'?
>
> Likewise 'muso' is short slang for musician in the profession.

Thank you for the clarification. Turns out I was a muso reading dots in
a concert Sunday and didn't know it.

> My problem with Sibelius and it's Ł600 [approx] price tag is that I do
> not need the sequencing and orchestration plus the enormous samples
> features on the programme ... my orchestrations are all done on
> Protools ... done and dusted ... in fact the album was mastered today
> [and it sounds stunning]

The sequencing and orchestration are trivial once the notation is done.
While they are important to composers to hear what they are writing,
they don't add a lot of overhead to the program.

> I thought there might be an easy, swift download of the note writing
> section of the programme that would latch into Protools... given that
> there is that 'send to Sibelius' button.

More research has revealed that you can download MIDI files from
ProTools to Sibelius just as you can create notation by playing on a
MIDI capable instrument. I'm not a ProTools users, but I suspect
there's no practical way to export pure audio tracks (non-MIDI).

> The more I investigate on the Net the more confusing the situation
> becomes ... freeware is offered Sibelius Version 4 and 5.2 ... prehaps
> they are demos to entice purchase of the full package?

You can download a demo system. I did before I bought it. Note that
the demo can not be converted up to full system--that comes in a box
from Sibelius.

> As regards the non labelled, unboxed versions on offer I note they
> were there last night but now gone! They claimed last night there
> were 'only a few left'. Obviously illegally copied.

Agreed.