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Richard Corfield
2008-07-19 18:38:40
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
On 2008-07-19, Laurence Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Why should any of them benefit to their deaths? If I were a plumber and
>>plumbed a very good kitchen sink do I expect to be paid until my death?
>>A car mechanic? Any other type of job really? If I could be paid until
>>death for a month's work rather than having to work another month for
>>another month's pay....
>
> If your property is "real" - a house maybe - you have perpetual
> ownership and can rent it out as long as anyone wants to live in it.
>
> However "intellectual" property - a musical work, a book - is taken
> away from you after a certain number of years.
>
> Justify the difference?
Intelectual "Property" is a misnomer. It's not property in any sense.
It's a trade between you and the government for a time limited right.
My ownership of my house does not stop someone building an identical
house next door (planning permission might) and renting it.
- Richard
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jwvm
2008-07-19 17:27:19
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
On Jul 19, 5:24 am, Laurence Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
>
<snip>
> If your property is "real" - a house maybe - you have perpetual
> ownership and can rent it out as long as anyone wants to live in it.
>
> However "intellectual" property - a musical work, a book - is taken
> away from you after a certain number of years.
>
> Justify the difference?
The idea behind intellectual property protection via patents and
copyright is that in exchange for a limited government-granted
monopoly, the creator of the work agrees that the work will enter the
public domain after a designated period. This provided sufficient
motivation to the creator and has been very successful. However, it is
not clear how much Walt Disney is motivated by extending the length of
copyright for Mickey Mouse, especially since he is no longer with us.
Limited copyright worked very well in the past and there was no
justification for extending the length of copyright. Rest assured that
the media companies will go back repeatedly to congress and demand
that their monopolies be extended ad infinitum so creators have
sufficient motivation.
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Jerry Avins
2008-07-19 11:03:15
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
Richard Corfield wrote:
...
> Why should any of them benefit to their deaths? If I were a plumber and
> plumbed a very good kitchen sink do I expect to be paid until my death?
> A car mechanic? Any other type of job really? If I could be paid until
> death for a month's work rather than having to work another month for
> another month's pay....
That's a red herring. When I worked for pay, everything I created
belonged to those who paid me.
...
Jerry
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Richard Corfield
2008-07-19 18:40:14
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
On 2008-07-19, Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Why should any of them benefit to their deaths? If I were a plumber and
>> plumbed a very good kitchen sink do I expect to be paid until my death?
>> A car mechanic? Any other type of job really? If I could be paid until
>> death for a month's work rather than having to work another month for
>> another month's pay....
>
> That's a red herring. When I worked for pay, everything I created
> belonged to those who paid me.
When you wrote your music what happened to the physical or recorded
copy?
Some of our jobs are also creative. Should we own the way we do things?
- Richard
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Jerry Avins
2008-07-19 18:32:25
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2008-07-19, Jerry Avins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Why should any of them benefit to their deaths? If I were a plumber and
>>> plumbed a very good kitchen sink do I expect to be paid until my death?
>>> A car mechanic? Any other type of job really? If I could be paid until
>>> death for a month's work rather than having to work another month for
>>> another month's pay....
>> That's a red herring. When I worked for pay, everything I created
>> belonged to those who paid me.
>
> When you wrote your music what happened to the physical or recorded
> copy?
My engineering notebook was the property of my employer.
> Some of our jobs are also creative. Should we own the way we do things?
If you are paid to do those things, they belong to the one who paid you.
An architect is pais well, but his client owns both the building and the
plans. (Most architects negotiate the right to keep and use copies of
the plans they are paid to create.
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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hank alrich
2008-07-19 11:52:52
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
Richard Corfield <[email protected]> wrote:
> I believe it's clear that software patents harm society.
Similar arguments can be made for/against any type of patent. Drug
patents help society? Etc.
--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam
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Richard Corfield
2008-07-19 18:43:10
Re: Song Copyrights and Patents
On 2008-07-19, hank alrich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Richard Corfield <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I believe it's clear that software patents harm society.
>
> Similar arguments can be made for/against any type of patent. Drug
> patents help society? Etc.
>
I've encountered arguments for and against those, especially things like
gene patents which are more controversial because genes are things we
naturally have and carry.
Patents were always a compromise. My argument is that compromise is
being forgotten and replaced with the property mentality.
Apparently there's a wonderful drug that could cure so many cancers.
It's not being developed because it cannot be patented. That problem
makes you wonder where the balance is.
- Richard
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