Re: Stop exaggerating

"Gareth Magennis" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>>> No, I'm sorry, did you see the TV broadcast of Lilly Allen at
>>>>>> Glastonbury?
>>>>>> She cannot sing any more than I can. Which is worse than next door's
>>>>>> cat.
>>>>>> I was acutely embarrassed. I quite like her songs and spirit,
>>>>>> actually,
>>>>>> but the vocal is obviously skillfully created by someone else in the
>>>>>> studio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't that where she ended her set in tears saying that her
>>>>> grandmother had
>>>>> died the night before?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, I turned her off, I just couldn't watch it any more.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could post a link to a good live performance of hers?
>>>
>>> I had a quick look on youtube, found this one which is not too bad:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYnRUig6Q4&feature=related
>>>
>>> But you're right, her songwriting is probably better than her performing.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm, I'm not 100% convinced she is actually singing that.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrObluR_Y_E&feature=related
>>
>> In this version, she is definately miming, and the vocal sounds identical
>> to your first link. Maybe? Not sure yet .....
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>>
>
>
>Ha! Tell you what, try running 2 instances of those 2 Youtube videos in
>sync. You will notice they are both the same vocal, though at some points
>there are extra harmony lines put in on one of them, I think.
>
>Anyway, whatever, one or both is a fake.

Both live.. honest!





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"Signal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Gareth Magennis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> No, I'm sorry, did you see the TV broadcast of Lilly Allen at
>>>>>>> Glastonbury?
>>>>>>> She cannot sing any more than I can. Which is worse than next
>>>>>>> door's
>>>>>>> cat.
>>>>>>> I was acutely embarrassed. I quite like her songs and spirit,
>>>>>>> actually,
>>>>>>> but the vocal is obviously skillfully created by someone else in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't that where she ended her set in tears saying that her
>>>>>> grandmother had
>>>>>> died the night before?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, I turned her off, I just couldn't watch it any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you could post a link to a good live performance of hers?
>>>>
>>>> I had a quick look on youtube, found this one which is not too bad:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYnRUig6Q4&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> But you're right, her songwriting is probably better than her
>>>> performing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmmm, I'm not 100% convinced she is actually singing that.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrObluR_Y_E&feature=related
>>>
>>> In this version, she is definately miming, and the vocal sounds
>>> identical
>>> to your first link. Maybe? Not sure yet .....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Ha! Tell you what, try running 2 instances of those 2 Youtube videos in
>>sync. You will notice they are both the same vocal, though at some points
>>there are extra harmony lines put in on one of them, I think.
>>
>>Anyway, whatever, one or both is a fake.
>
> Both live.. honest!
>


I'm not convinced yet. Play them both in sync, really, they are just too
perfectly matched. Not even any breaths or pops or anything to distinguish
the two. Not to mention any proximity effects or level differences due to
mic technique. Uncanny.

There is a part where they differ, around the lyric "you messed up my mental
health". But you will notice the same recorded backing "ah's" on each. You
may also notice that one has the vocal and an addittional recorded backing
harmony, where the other has her apparently singing the backing harmony, and
the main vocal is gone.

It wouldn't be difficult to use different mixes of the same multitracked
vocals for each different "live" performance, now would it.

I think it's a CIA plot myself.



Gareth.

"Gareth Magennis" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>>>>> No, I'm sorry, did you see the TV broadcast of Lilly Allen at
>>>>>>>> Glastonbury?
>>>>>>>> She cannot sing any more than I can. Which is worse than next
>>>>>>>> door's
>>>>>>>> cat.
>>>>>>>> I was acutely embarrassed. I quite like her songs and spirit,
>>>>>>>> actually,
>>>>>>>> but the vocal is obviously skillfully created by someone else in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> studio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wasn't that where she ended her set in tears saying that her
>>>>>>> grandmother had
>>>>>>> died the night before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know, I turned her off, I just couldn't watch it any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you could post a link to a good live performance of hers?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a quick look on youtube, found this one which is not too bad:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYnRUig6Q4&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> But you're right, her songwriting is probably better than her
>>>>> performing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm, I'm not 100% convinced she is actually singing that.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrObluR_Y_E&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> In this version, she is definately miming, and the vocal sounds
>>>> identical
>>>> to your first link. Maybe? Not sure yet .....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gareth.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ha! Tell you what, try running 2 instances of those 2 Youtube videos in
>>>sync. You will notice they are both the same vocal, though at some points
>>>there are extra harmony lines put in on one of them, I think.
>>>
>>>Anyway, whatever, one or both is a fake.
>>
>> Both live.. honest!
>>
>
>
>I'm not convinced yet. Play them both in sync, really, they are just too
>perfectly matched. Not even any breaths or pops or anything to distinguish
>the two. Not to mention any proximity effects or level differences due to
>mic technique. Uncanny.
>
>There is a part where they differ, around the lyric "you messed up my mental
>health". But you will notice the same recorded backing "ah's" on each. You
>may also notice that one has the vocal and an addittional recorded backing
>harmony, where the other has her apparently singing the backing harmony, and
>the main vocal is gone.
>
>It wouldn't be difficult to use different mixes of the same multitracked
>vocals for each different "live" performance, now would it.
>
>I think it's a CIA plot myself.

:)

I don't know how to convince you, but I'd bet my life on both
performances being live.

The first clip is obvious IMO.

Look at the second clip around 1:55 and 2:55 and note the phrasing..

If you had seen the broadcast I think you would be in no doubt. These
Youtube clips aren't the best!






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