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Badmuts
2008-06-02 05:45:05
Syncing to video
I've been asked to not only record a live band gig to 24 tracks but also to
record video footage so the band can publish a DVD of the concert.
I'm using a DAW and Nuendo 3 (or Adobe Audition) and m-audio lightbridge +
3x 8-analog-to-adat preamps/converters for audio recording.
Alternatively i might use an Alesis HD24.
Either way i will do the mixdown and possibly video editing afterwards.
I'm wondering which way to go for the video recording.
Should i get some interface board with a composite video in and have a video
feed from the cam(s or video mixer) and record it in realtime simultaneously
with the audio so syncing is no problem? If so, which board? And is Nuendo
capable of this? What about CPU load on my DAW?
Only video experience i have is from way back with Adobe Premiere.
Or: is there a way to mix the audio the way i'm used to and how do i get it
in sync with video footage recorded to an mpeg file (the way consumer
digital video cams do it)?
I think things like SMPT are key words here but i haven't done this sort of
thing before and i'm not sure what todays consumer cams are capable of: all
i own is a simple video cam with composite video out. Any pointers, tips,
gear, web site, sound advice?
Bm
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Chris Hornbeck
2008-06-02 04:32:18
Re: Syncing to video
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:45:05 +0200, "Badmuts"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been asked to not only record a live band gig to 24 tracks but also to
>record video footage so the band can publish a DVD of the concert.
> all
>i own is a simple video cam with composite video out. Any pointers, tips,
>gear, web site, sound advice?
So you'll need to farm out the video recording? Maybe to some
folks who do weddings and such; they'll have all the hardware
and enough camera op's to make an interesting DVD.
Video as a one-man gig is either terribly boring or terribly
amateurish, with lots of overlap. You need a crew - kick it
around a bit and you'll agree.
All the best fortune,
Chris Hornbeck
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Richard Crowley
2008-06-01 22:06:26
Re: Syncing to video
"Badmuts" wrote ...
> I've been asked to not only record a live band gig to 24 tracks but also
> to
> record video footage so the band can publish a DVD of the concert.
> I'm using a DAW and Nuendo 3 (or Adobe Audition) and m-audio lightbridge +
> 3x 8-analog-to-adat preamps/converters for audio recording.
> Alternatively i might use an Alesis HD24.
> Either way i will do the mixdown and possibly video editing afterwards.
>
> I'm wondering which way to go for the video recording.
> Should i get some interface board with a composite video in and have a
> video
> feed from the cam(s or video mixer) and record it in realtime
> simultaneously
> with the audio so syncing is no problem? If so, which board? And is Nuendo
> capable of this? What about CPU load on my DAW?
IME, you can record the audio however you wish and then
manually sync it to the video with little trouble. I have done
this many times. I now use my HD24 to track each individual
mic during the live performance
> Only video experience i have is from way back with Adobe Premiere.
Adobe Premiere is still a major player in video NLE. I use both
the Pro and the "Elements" versions.
> Or: is there a way to mix the audio the way i'm used to and how do i get
> it
> in sync with video footage recorded to an mpeg file (the way consumer
> digital video cams do it)?
I wouldn't want to have to commit to a real-time live mix for the
video when you have the capability of tracking the mics and then
mix it down in post-production.
OTOH, be sure to record a "scratch" or "reference" audio on each
camera/camcorder so you have something to sync your mixed-
down audio track to. This is the default for most all consumer
camcorders which will record audio from the on-camera mic.
It should go without saying here in an audio newsgroup that the
audio from an on-camera microphone isn't good for anything
except as a reference to sync the REAL audio track to.
> I think things like SMPT are key words here but i haven't done this sort
> of
> thing before and i'm not sure what todays consumer cams are capable of:
> all
> i own is a simple video cam with composite video out. Any pointers, tips,
> gear, web site, sound advice?
Perhaps you are thinking of SMPTE time-code. You need
professional video (and audio) equipment to take advantage
of timecode. It isn't worth it for a project as you describe,
at least IMHO.
I do as much video production as audio, and I would strongly
recommend a minimum of 3 cameras/camcorders. Else, the
video won't be attractive enough to anyone except the musos
themselves. You can frame at least one camcorder with a
locked-down wide angle "coverage" shot, and then at least
a couple more cameras with operators getting close-ups, etc.
With modern video NLE, it is easy to take your mixed-down
audio track and lay it in as the master reference, then take the
video from your cameras and slide them into place so that their
"scratch track" syncs with your master mixed-down track.
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John Phillips
2008-06-02 02:56:38
Re: Syncing to video
> With modern video NLE, it is easy to take your mixed-down
> audio track and lay it in as the master reference, then take the
> video from your cameras and slide them into place so that their
> "scratch track" syncs with your master mixed-down track.
What editor(s) do you use for this?
John
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Richard Crowley
2008-06-02 08:02:14
Re: Syncing to video
"John Phillips" wrote ...
>> With modern video NLE, it is easy to take your mixed-down
>> audio track and lay it in as the master reference, then take the
>> video from your cameras and slide them into place so that their
>> "scratch track" syncs with your master mixed-down track.
>
> What editor(s) do you use for this?
I personally use Adobe Premiere, but most (all?) video NLE
applications allow this kind of manipulation. It is pretty
straightforward. Nothing magic here.
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Soundhaspriority
2008-06-02 01:11:29
Re: Syncing to video
"Badmuts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:48436cc3$0$1798$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl...
> I've been asked to not only record a live band gig to 24 tracks but also
> to
> record video footage so the band can publish a DVD of the concert.
> I'm using a DAW and Nuendo 3 (or Adobe Audition) and m-audio lightbridge +
> 3x 8-analog-to-adat preamps/converters for audio recording.
> Alternatively i might use an Alesis HD24.
> Either way i will do the mixdown and possibly video editing afterwards.
>
> I'm wondering which way to go for the video recording.
> Should i get some interface board with a composite video in and have a
> video
> feed from the cam(s or video mixer) and record it in realtime
> simultaneously
> with the audio so syncing is no problem? If so, which board? And is Nuendo
> capable of this? What about CPU load on my DAW?
>
> Only video experience i have is from way back with Adobe Premiere.
>
> Or: is there a way to mix the audio the way i'm used to and how do i get
> it
> in sync with video footage recorded to an mpeg file (the way consumer
> digital video cams do it)?
> I think things like SMPT are key words here but i haven't done this sort
> of
> thing before and i'm not sure what todays consumer cams are capable of:
> all
> i own is a simple video cam with composite video out. Any pointers, tips,
> gear, web site, sound advice?
>
> Bm
>
I suggest you post this to rec.arts.movies.production.sound. The experts on
this subject live there.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
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Richard Crowley
2008-06-01 22:24:05
Re: Syncing to video
"Soundhaspriority" wrote ...
> I suggest you post this to rec.arts.movies.production.sound. The experts
> on this subject live there.
Actually, the experts there rarely (never?) do this kind of low-
budget production method. They are accustomed to using the
high-price equipment and would generally be horrified at the
thought of not using SMPTE timecode.
OTOH, this topic is discussed regularly on the video newsgroups..
news:rec.video.production (shooting) and news:rec.video.desktop
(editing).
IMHO he can easily get away without timecode for the project
as described. I've done it many times myself.
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Soundhaspriority
2008-06-02 01:37:05
Re: Syncing to video
"Richard Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Soundhaspriority" wrote ...
>> I suggest you post this to rec.arts.movies.production.sound. The experts
>> on this subject live there.
>
> Actually, the experts there rarely (never?) do this kind of low-
> budget production method. They are accustomed to using the
> high-price equipment and would generally be horrified at the
> thought of not using SMPTE timecode.
>
> OTOH, this topic is discussed regularly on the video newsgroups..
> news:rec.video.production (shooting) and news:rec.video.desktop
> (editing).
>
> IMHO he can easily get away without timecode for the project
> as described. I've done it many times myself.
I've done it too. If the cuts are reasonable in length, and he has a scratch
track, no problemo. I'm just a little worried about a technical ambush.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
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