Re: What newsgroup reader do you recommend?

"Nil" wrote...
> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" wrote
>> And by being built into the OS, remains relatively assured and
>> rock solid in it's deployment and use. People just like to bitch
>> about Microsoft... but OE is a powerful tool in a modest and
>> clean wrapper.
>
> I don't agree with that. I don't like it's interface, but that's just
> my preference. OE's biggest failure is it's filtering, which is weak,
> weak, weak. You can't kill crossposts, you can't use regular
> expressions, you can only filter on fewest most basic criteria -
> pretty useless for me. I think it's closer to a toy than a tool.

Indeed, the UI is the thing I like best about OE (and turned
me off to the others). I'm willing to put up with weak filtering
for a decent UI. I find it easy enough to glance down the list
of subject lines and discern the trash from the ones I actually
want to read. Dunno why others seem to have such a problem
with that?

"Richard Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote in message...

> "Nil" wrote...

> > "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" wrote

> >> And by being built into the OS, remains relatively assured and
> >> rock solid in it's deployment and use. People just like to bitch
> >> about Microsoft... but OE is a powerful tool in a modest and
> >> clean wrapper.

> > I don't agree with that. I don't like it's interface, but that's just
> > my preference. OE's biggest failure is it's filtering, which is weak,
> > weak, weak. You can't kill crossposts, you can't use regular
> > expressions, you can only filter on fewest most basic criteria -
> > pretty useless for me.

> Indeed, the UI is the thing I like best about OE (and turned
> me off to the others). I'm willing to put up with weak filtering
> for a decent UI. I find it easy enough to glance down the list
> of subject lines and discern the trash from the ones I actually
> want to read. Dunno why others seem to have such a problem
> with that?

The GUI is the very best thing about OE. I can see as many
threads as I care to leave in the reader, in a perfectly indented
sequence by date and directly associated to the previous post
follow-up. Killing crossposts is *not* an issue, unless the only
intention is to never see the crossposted original post at all.
Otherwise, all you have to do is keep your follow-ups (either
manually by deletion, or automatically with a preset) set to
only the group of choice. Filtering by moniker, address,
name, subject line content, etc.. I haven't really found anything
that I couldn't filter in one way or another if I really took the time.
The very first news rule is the options list is for filtering specific
groups, meaning a way to eliminate seeing any of the common
crossposts.

> > I think it's closer to a toy than a tool.

Interesting.

How long did you use it (Nil) before you gave it up as hopeless?


DM

>>> I think it's closer to a toy than a tool.
>
> Interesting.
>
> How long did you use it (Nil) before you gave it up as hopeless?
>
>
> DM

Hey Dave! Have you tried Thunderbird? It's UI is nearly identical to OE,
but has WAY more options for controlling the programs behavior including
some really bitching junk filters. I tried it a couple of years ago and
haven't looked back since.

"Romeo Rondeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:HZugk.16923$jI5.1997@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> >>> I think it's closer to a toy than a tool.
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > How long did you use it (Nil) before you gave it up as hopeless?
> >
> >
> > DM

> Hey Dave! Have you tried Thunderbird? It's UI is nearly identical to OE,
> but has WAY more options for controlling the programs behavior including
> some really bitching junk filters. I tried it a couple of years ago and
> haven't looked back since.

I *am* considering a 3rd party news server since Verizon dropped
all but the "Big 8".

Nil wrote:

> On 18 Jul 2008, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote
> in rec.audio.pro:
>
> > And by being built into the OS, remains relatively assured and
> > rock solid in it's deployment and use. People just like to bitch
> > about Microsoft... but OE is a powerful tool in a modest and
> > clean wrapper.
>
> I don't agree with that. I don't like it's interface, but that's just
> my preference. OE's biggest failure is it's filtering, which is weak,
> weak, weak. You can't kill crossposts, you can't use regular
> expressions, you can only filter on fewest most basic criteria - pretty
> useless for me. I think it's closer to a toy than a tool.

Agreed.

Tried it. Went back to Netscape.

Graham

"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
news:wTWfk.479$kf4.111@trnddc03...
>
...
> I have no complaints with Outlook Express on PC... fills all the needs you stated.
> It's part of the operating system thus relies on your ISP to provide the feed.
>


I'd like to see OE remember where you are in each folder. When you switch, then come back
to a folder, it takes you back to the top every time.

--
Earl

"Earl Kiosterud" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:LRxgk.158$5Q.17@trnddc06...

> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
> news:wTWfk.479$kf4.111@trnddc03...

> > I have no complaints with Outlook Express on PC... fills all the needs you stated.
> > It's part of the operating system thus relies on your ISP to provide the feed.

> I'd like to see OE remember where you are in each folder. When
> you switch, then come back to a folder, it takes you back to the
> top every time.


'Flag' the thread you're leaving before you close the group folder. (?)

On 19 Jul 2008, "Earl Kiosterud" <[email protected]> wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> I'd like to see OE remember where you are in each folder. When
> you switch, then come back to a folder, it takes you back to the
> top every time.

If you don't have it now, you never will. Outlook Express is no longer
being developed.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:57:36 -0500, Nil
<rednoise+news@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>On 19 Jul 2008, "Earl Kiosterud" <[email protected]> wrote in
>rec.audio.pro:
>
>> I'd like to see OE remember where you are in each folder. When
>> you switch, then come back to a folder, it takes you back to the
>> top every time.
>
>If you don't have it now, you never will. Outlook Express is no longer
>being developed.

Sure it is. It's just changed name to Windows Live mail.

I use pan on windows and Linux. It's
worth a look. The filters seem complex,
but robust.


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On 17 Jul 2008, Nick Delonas <[email protected]> wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> I used MicroPlanet Gravity and liked it a lot, but for some reason
> it now keeps disconnecting, making it all but unusable. It hasn't
> been updated in years, so I guess I need a new newsreader.
>
> I'm technically savvy, but too lazy to spend a lot of time
> learning a difficult interface. I'm also budget conscious.
>
> Need filtering. I don't mind strong, even harshly-worded posts if
> they are reasonable, but I cannot tolerate SPAM nor insanity
> posts. I also like features like thread watches and alerts on
> replies to me.

I used to use Gravity, too, and I liked it, especially when I was still
on a dialup connection. My problem with it was that its database was
fragile and frequently became corrupted.

Now I like Xnews. It's a little tricky to set up but once I got it the
way I like it it works great. Unfortunately, it's semi-deadware, but
the author does occasionally fix a bug or two. Its best feature is it's
strong filtering and scoring ability.

http://xnews.newsguy.com/