flat speaker up to 40 kHz

In article <[email protected]>, bobopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>I'm currently working in a lab dealing with auditory perception and
>biology. Since I have a very small sound chamber, I need a flat and
>compact loudspeaker with a frequency ranger extending from, say, 125
>Hz or 150 Hz to 40 kHz. The depth of the speaker should not be above 6
>or 7" (15 to 17.5cm). In a nutshell, something like the Fostex PMO.4
>but flatter and slightly shifted to higher frequencies:
>http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII_spec.shtm
>l
>Do you have an idea ?
>thank you in advance
>Boris

How flat and it must be on axis, right ? How far away ?
I crosposted.

greg

On 3 juil, 15:37, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, bobopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >I'm currently working in a lab dealing with auditory perception and
> >biology. Since I have a very small sound chamber, I need a flat and
> >compact loudspeaker with a frequency ranger extending from, say, 125
> >Hz or 150 Hz to 40 kHz. The depth of the speaker should not be above 6
> >or 7" (15 to 17.5cm). In a nutshell, something like the Fostex PMO.4
> >but flatter and slightly shifted to higher frequencies:
> >http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII...
> >l
> >Do you have an idea ?
> >thank you in advance
> >Boris
>
> How flat and it must be on axis, right ? How far away ?
> I crosposted.
>
> greg

actually, the sound chamber is about less than a cubic meter. The
speaker should be put very close (a few centimeters) to the ear of an
animal (a guinea pig), which should prevent the chamber to
dramatically influence the frequency response, well, at least, I
hope...
The speaker probably has to be passive because powered speakers would
introduce 60 Hz signals within the chamber (we perform
electrophysiological recordings).
A one way speaker would be best, but a two way speaker is likely
possible if we put the tweeter in front of the animal's ear, since low
frequencies have less directional properties I think.
I found this model that may be of interest, what do you think about
it ?:
http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/products/66/CMS%20401%20DCe_Data_File_Web%20V1.06.pdf
Regards,
Boris

In article <[email protected]>, bobopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3 juil, 15:37, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>> In article
> <[email protected]>, bobopi
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi everyone,
>> >I'm currently working in a lab dealing with auditory perception and
>> >biology. Since I have a very small sound chamber, I need a flat and
>> >compact loudspeaker with a frequency ranger extending from, say, 125
>> >Hz or 150 Hz to 40 kHz. The depth of the speaker should not be above 6
>> >or 7" (15 to 17.5cm). In a nutshell, something like the Fostex PMO.4
>> >but flatter and slightly shifted to higher frequencies:
>> >http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII...
>> >l
>> >Do you have an idea ?
>> >thank you in advance
>> >Boris
>>
>> How flat and it must be on axis, right ? How far away ?
>> I crosposted.
>>
>> greg
>
>actually, the sound chamber is about less than a cubic meter. The
>speaker should be put very close (a few centimeters) to the ear of an
>animal (a guinea pig), which should prevent the chamber to
>dramatically influence the frequency response, well, at least, I
>hope...
>The speaker probably has to be passive because powered speakers would
>introduce 60 Hz signals within the chamber (we perform
>electrophysiological recordings).
>A one way speaker would be best, but a two way speaker is likely
>possible if we put the tweeter in front of the animal's ear, since low
>frequencies have less directional properties I think.
>I found this model that may be of interest, what do you think about
>it ?:
>http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/products/66/CMS%20401%20DCe_Data_File_Web%20V1.0
>6.pdf
>Regards,
>Boris

Pretty, almost exactly what you want.
When recording there will be a small amount of magnetic noise from the speaker.
A magnetically shielded speaker is desirable or mandatory. There are way to
shield or partially shield speakers, but its much easier if they are designed that way.
Keep in mind the response is likly to be still ragged. I am going to see if they have a plot on this.
Recording setups are mostly electrostatic sensitive, but magnetics do have effects.

greg

In article <g4iu87$eq1$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> bobopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 3 juil, 15:37, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>>> In article
>> <[email protected]>, bobopi
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi everyone,
>>> >I'm currently working in a lab dealing with auditory perception and
>>> >biology. Since I have a very small sound chamber, I need a flat and
>>> >compact loudspeaker with a frequency ranger extending from, say, 125
>>> >Hz or 150 Hz to 40 kHz. The depth of the speaker should not be above 6
>>> >or 7" (15 to 17.5cm). In a nutshell, something like the Fostex PMO.4
>>> >but flatter and slightly shifted to higher frequencies:
>>> >http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII...
>>> >l
>>> >Do you have an idea ?
>>> >thank you in advance
>>> >Boris
>>>
>>> How flat and it must be on axis, right ? How far away ?
>>> I crosposted.
>>>
>>> greg
>>
>>actually, the sound chamber is about less than a cubic meter. The
>>speaker should be put very close (a few centimeters) to the ear of an
>>animal (a guinea pig), which should prevent the chamber to
>>dramatically influence the frequency response, well, at least, I
>>hope...
>>The speaker probably has to be passive because powered speakers would
>>introduce 60 Hz signals within the chamber (we perform
>>electrophysiological recordings).
>>A one way speaker would be best, but a two way speaker is likely
>>possible if we put the tweeter in front of the animal's ear, since low
>>frequencies have less directional properties I think.
>>I found this model that may be of interest, what do you think about
>>it ?:
>>http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/products/66/CMS%20401%20DCe_Data_File_Web%20V1.
>0
>>6.pdf
>>Regards,
>>Boris
>
>Pretty, almost exactly what you want.
>When recording there will be a small amount of magnetic noise from the speaker.
>A magnetically shielded speaker is desirable or mandatory. There are way to
>shield or partially shield speakers, but its much easier if they are designed
> that way.
>Keep in mind the response is likly to be still ragged. I am going to see if
> they have a plot on this.
>Recording setups are mostly electrostatic sensitive, but magnetics do have
> effects.

I might add, I have never worked with a speaker in a test chamber. There are static magnetic fields
from the speaker and if there is movement or vibration it will induce into
the electrodes. The magnets are the prime magenetic source. The actual signal field will be much
smaller. Crossover network coils also radiate.

greg

In article <g4iuh2$eq1$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
[email protected] (GregS) wrote:

> In article <g4iu87$eq1$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
> [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
> >In article
> ><[email protected]>,
> > bobopi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>On 3 juil, 15:37, [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
> >>> In article
> >> <[email protected]>, bobopi
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Hi everyone,
> >>> >I'm currently working in a lab dealing with auditory perception and
> >>> >biology. Since I have a very small sound chamber, I need a flat and
> >>> >compact loudspeaker with a frequency ranger extending from, say, 125
> >>> >Hz or 150 Hz to 40 kHz. The depth of the speaker should not be above 6
> >>> >or 7" (15 to 17.5cm). In a nutshell, something like the Fostex PMO.4
> >>> >but flatter and slightly shifted to higher frequencies:
> >>> >http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII...
> >>> >l
> >>> >Do you have an idea ?
> >>> >thank you in advance
> >>> >Boris
> >>>
> >>> How flat and it must be on axis, right ? How far away ?
> >>> I crosposted.
> >>>
> >>> greg
> >>
> >>actually, the sound chamber is about less than a cubic meter. The
> >>speaker should be put very close (a few centimeters) to the ear of an
> >>animal (a guinea pig), which should prevent the chamber to
> >>dramatically influence the frequency response, well, at least, I
> >>hope...
> >>The speaker probably has to be passive because powered speakers would
> >>introduce 60 Hz signals within the chamber (we perform
> >>electrophysiological recordings).
> >>A one way speaker would be best, but a two way speaker is likely
> >>possible if we put the tweeter in front of the animal's ear, since low
> >>frequencies have less directional properties I think.
> >>I found this model that may be of interest, what do you think about
> >>it ?:
> >>http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/products/66/CMS%20401%20DCe_Data_File_Web%20V
> >>1.
> >0
> >>6.pdf
> >>Regards,
> >>Boris
> >
> >Pretty, almost exactly what you want.
> >When recording there will be a small amount of magnetic noise from the
> >speaker.
> >A magnetically shielded speaker is desirable or mandatory. There are way to
> >shield or partially shield speakers, but its much easier if they are
> >designed
> > that way.
> >Keep in mind the response is likly to be still ragged. I am going to see if
> > they have a plot on this.
> >Recording setups are mostly electrostatic sensitive, but magnetics do have
> > effects.
>
> I might add, I have never worked with a speaker in a test chamber. There are
> static magnetic fields
> from the speaker and if there is movement or vibration it will induce into
> the electrodes. The magnets are the prime magenetic source. The actual signal
> field will be much
> smaller. Crossover network coils also radiate.
>
> greg
>


Is the animal restrained? What kind of electrophysiological measurements
are you making?


Electrode/skin impedances are fairly low, although the preamp gain is
substantial for EEG signals with surface electrodes. If you're doing
intracellular recordings, the very high impedances will present a
definite problem with electrical radiation and magnetically-induced
currents. Implanted depth electrodes would fall nearer to the surface
electrode case.

-Jay

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