Author: Date: Subject:
George Orwell
2008-06-17 06:45:02
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
::Great! Now I can post the track listing for Basement Tapes 16.
::Musical Mike was otherwise occupied this year, so I did the mastering
for this one.
::I hope my pinch hitting is satisfactory for everyone.
Jeff Morris, would you please reveal your process for 'mastering'?
Otherwise please refer to your process as 'editing.'
There is a substantial difference between the two and your use of
semantics diminishes those who've strive for
the best in audio mastering. Despite that, I cringe when people misuse
the word 'mastering' but thank you
for valiance in keeping demented music alive though:)
Jacqueline
For your edification. from the rec.audio.pro FAQ
Q6.3 - What is mastering?
Mastering is a multifaceted term that is often misunderstood.
Back in the days of vinyl records, mastering involved the actual
cutting of the master that would be used for pressing. This
often involved a variety of sonic adjustments so that the mixed
tape would ultimately be properly rendered on vinyl.
The age of the CD has changed the meaning of the term quite a
bit. There are now two elements often called mastering. The
first is the eminently straightforward process of preparing a
master for pressing. As most mixdowns now occur on DAT, this
often involves the relatively simple tasks of generating the PQ
subcode necessary for CD replication. PQ subcode is the data
stream that contains information such as the number of tracks on
a disc, the location of the start points of each track, the clock
display information, and the like. This information is created
during mastering and prepared as a PQ data burst which the
pressing plant uses to make the glass pressing master.
Mastering's more common meaning, however, is the art of making a
recording sound "commercial." It is the last chance one has to
get the recording sounding the way it ought to. Tasks often done
in mastering include:
? Adjustment of time between pieces
? Quality of fade-in/out
? Relation of levels between tracks (such that the listener
doesn't have to go swinging the volume control all over the
place)
? Program EQ to achieve a desired consistency
? Compression to make one's disc sound LOUDER than others on the
market
? The list goes on.
A good mastering engineer can often take a poorly-produced
recording and make it suitable for the market. A bad one can
make a good recording sound terrible. Some recordings are so
well produced, mixed, and edited that all they need is to be
given PQ subcode and sent right out. ::::::Other recordings are made
by people on ego trips, who think they know everything about
recording, and who make recordings that are, technically
speaking, wretched trash.:::::
Good mastering professionals are acquainted with many styles of
music, and know what it is that their clients hope to achieve.
They then use their tools either lightly or severely to
accomplish all the multiple steps involved in preparing a disc
for pressing. [Gabe]
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Author: Date: Subject:
Jeff Morris
2008-06-17 20:46:31
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
[Since George cross-posted to rec.audio.pro, I'm doing the same, although
I'm not sure why the people there would care too much about Dr. Demento's
Basement Tapes 16.]
> Jeff Morris, would you please reveal your process for 'mastering'?
> Otherwise please refer to your process as 'editing.'
> There is a substantial difference between the two and your use of
> semantics diminishes those who've strive for
> the best in audio mastering.
I also strive for the best in audio mastering. I run a recording studio
(morrisstudios.com) and also do transfers of older recordings for people,
and will take on almost any job that involves recorded sound. I have met
very few people who are pickier about getting things to sound right than I
am.
Every single thing you quoted from the rec.audio.pro FAQ is something I
did for this CD, specifically:
* PQ subcode
* Adjustment of time between pieces
* Quality of fade-in/out
* Relation of levels between tracks (such that the listener
doesn't have to go swinging the volume control all over the
place)
* Program EQ to achieve a desired consistency
* Compression to make one's disc sound LOUDER than others on the
market
(Well, technically the compression on a few tracks wasn't added to make
this CD louder than others, but just to make things consistent between the
tracks.)
This being a compilation CD of tracks from many different sources, a lot
of analysis and adjustment had to be done to make everything flow smoothly
(more than on a CD of a single band all recorded in the same studio with
the same settings). Dr. Demento and I worked on this together.
In addition, I did noise reduction on the 1902 track that was taken from a
cylinder recording. I have done this sort of work on vinyl and acetate
records before, as well as various kinds of tape recordings, but this was
my first time working with a cylinder. I found it to be similar to vinyl
records, but with its own unique characteristics. I'm sure Mike could've
done a better job, but hopefully I did an acceptable job.
Many people in this newsgroup have used my services before. I'm not sure
why you're calling my terminology into question. I say what I mean.
Author: Date: Subject:
Nomen Nescio
2008-06-19 02:40:06
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
::Jeff Morris, from Indiana scrives,
::* I run a recording studio
::(morrisstudios.com) and also do transfers of older recordings
::for people, and will take on almost any job that involves recorded
::sound.
Sorry to rain down on your parade but that's not audio mastering, that's
transferring. If you recorded all of the bands then assembled the DAT or
whatever format into a glass master, and checked for errors, etc. -
that's mastering. But there are a couple of steps you overlooked, you
just have to learn for yourself. Taking copies of CD's or DATs that have
already been through the process of post editing/mastering and then
dumping them into a digital editor is not mastering because from what
you described you diminished the integrity of the individuals who had
already did the recording by not using THEIR MASTER. Finally you should
list your equipment on your website as most world class mastering
facilities do. Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
Thanks,
Jacqueline
Author: Date: Subject:
Chris/Power Salad
2008-06-18 21:08:24
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:40:06 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
Hard to take anyone seriously who hides behind an anonymizer. What are
your credits? At what studios did you intern? List some info we can
verify, otherwise you are a troll.
You are indeed correct that the term "mastering" is being diluted and
misapplied by those who don't understand it, but Jeff does, despite
what you say in this newsgroup. I have heard before and after versions
of tunes he has "mastered", and the term is being correctly applied.
I am also aware of mastering means, the post-mix, final audio
"sweetening" process. It is a step that is missing from a great deal
of non-pro-studio recorded material, and indeed was from my early
recordings, but is no longer.
So unless you are adding something to the conversation and can back up
your opinions factually without anonymizing yourself, do us all a
favor.....
Author: Date: Subject:
George Orwell
2008-06-19 07:25:21
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
Chris/Power Salad farted out loud through his red plump lips:
>Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
I'm with Jacueline on this one and I'll revert to ad hominen attacks
too. She's right. Jeff Morris doesn't list his equipment he's just
playing with a bunch of tonka toys and living a world of delusions. See
what deeeeement music will do to you matty. So Chris/Power Salad, pig
man, I'll pour salt on the wounds I W I L L N O T subscribe to the
Demento Society membership packages because your music is neither funny
and sounds like shit...cream puff. Nor will I support the music
because of the crappy production values. Maybe Barrett Hansen
should re-think about the renegades he affiliates himself with. Maybe us
disgruntled deementites should NOW write the good old doc by snail email
and tell him. Here ya go
folks, so hi
Barrett E Hansen
(alias. Dr Demento, Doctor Demento)
6102 Pimenta Avenue
Lakewood, CA 90712
Also is the web site below paying RIAA fees or is it running like a
dog with its wet tongue out of its mouth in a car window?
www.DementiaRadio.org
Tick tick tick tick tick. And don't forget to stay deeeeemented.
Chris/Power Salad: <oink, squeal, snort>.
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Author: Date: Subject:
Spaff.com
2008-06-18 22:58:49
Re: new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
FYI, here's the text of an interesting post from Eric Houg on Oct 16,
2007. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/de447d2356ca7529/1ee37d370bf22860
<quote>
Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to
Doctor Demento as
Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on
all cylinders".
They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly
to David Tanny.
Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia:
Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or
non-specific
person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant
of.
</quote>
xoxox
Spaff
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